2015 R1200gsa Admin Desember 05, 2021 2015 R1200gsa So, I am kinda at a point in life where I am not sure what I want to ride. The majority of the people I ride with are bagger guys (yea, mostly Harley). I have had them but really gave up on Harley some time ago. I have been looking at the K1600B and really think I would like the additional horsepower and general ride of the bike. My last cruiser was a Triumph Rocket III Roadster which I absolutely loved. But it did not love the dead Texas summers. The heat off that big motor is brutal. Anyhow, I am seriously considering going to the K1600B but I have some reservations that I thought I would bounce off of you guys who might know. First, I am 6'6" with a 38 inch inseam. My '09 GSA fits me perfectly with Rock Risers and I still can stand flat footed on it. In general the only thing I do not care for is the wind noise on my helmet, but I wear plugs 100% of the time. I am also concerned about maintenance on the K1600B. I am so used to the ease of maintenance on the GS that my thoughts are that the new bike would be much more expensive to maintain. But with no history on the K bikes I really do not know. Could use some direction here. My other fear around the K1600B is all that cladding. Having rode mostly naked bikes I have a fear of plastic and it seems to have A LOT! Lastly, the beauty of my '09 GSA is it is fully sorted. I have had no issues with it what so ever. I like the mechanical gauges and limited tech. I am only looking at the K bike for a bit more comfort (maybe?), a little better ride and definitely the extra power. Thoughts & opinions here guys. Apples to oranges. These bikes are so incredibly different that they may as well be made by different manufacturers. Ride them both and decide for yourself. I wonder how those boats hold resale value? Seriously. My bet is that they're surprisingly cheap to buy at 1-2 years out of the showroom. That's not nec. a bad thing. Your GSA is obviously a decade old. That age difference alone is something that you'd feel with every ride. I went from a 2012 k1600 GTL to a 2015 1200GSA LC. The GSA rides hands down better than my k1600 which was a road bike. I keep it on the soft setting on the road. The seat is more comfortable than the 1600. I put 59,000 miles on the 1600 and I wouldn't go back. The only thing I liked better about the 1600 was the sound of the engine. I did put a much bigger windsreeen than the stock GSA on the bike. Another condsideration is the valve checks. The GSA is $250-$300. The 1600 is $1200 on up. The GSA is the best bike I have owned period. Just got back from a 3000 mile trip to glacier national park and back. I am 5'9" 160 # 30 inch inseam for what its worth. I bought the GSA with 7000 miles two years ago June. Currently at 35,000 miles. Never a problem. Replaced 3 coils on the 1600 at about $250 a pop out of warranty. The K1600 engine also seeped a small amount of oil. The GSA never uses or leaks a drop. Attached Files: Are you limited financially or otherwise to one bike ? If not,keep the GSA and try/buy the bagger.Keep and eye out for good deal on a used one(locally,regionally),as others have said. If you are limited to one bike,keep the GSA as it is a lot more versatile and as you say,well sorted for you. The Givi Airflow was the best screen for me on hexhead GS,but I am 6 plus in shorter than you so YMMV. JR356 I've had both also. Started out with a 2014 GTL. Ended up buying a 2015 GSA because I wanted to get into the adventure riding. For me anyway, the GSA was/is hands down such a better ride. So much so that I ended up selling the 1600 about a month after I bought the GSA. Yea, Jim, I know they are. I think that is why I am struggling so much with the decision. I have had the GS' for a long time. Made by different manufacturers? I heard somewhere that the K1600B has a Triumph engine? I put that off to hearsay. Was I wrong to do so? Yea, I either keep what I have or go to something new. Every time I start to think I am, I pull back because my '09 has been such a good bike. A little underpowered, that is what I miss in the other bikes I have owned. If a new bike could fit the budget, maybe test ride a new GS/A. I went from an 09 GSA to a 2012 K1600GTL. I'm 6'4" w/33" inseam. You'll be a lot more cramped on the 1600. I had a custom seat made that added about 4" and still it was never as comfortable as the GSA was. I had an aeroflow fairing on the GSA, which was excellent. For me, the K1600 was almost as good, but my wife as pillion was disappointed in the buffeting from the K1600GTL. We tried several windshields and it never worked out. The K1600 is uber smooth, fantastic lights, wonderful engine. My transmission was, well, a BMW transmission, not as smooth as I would have expected. I put 20k on the K1600 and sold it when they were still pretty new and resale was reasonable. I don't think that's the case any longer, they get hit pretty hard depreciation wise. Check out k1600forum.com, you'll find a lot of folks there that have made the transition, and they bike definitely has a set of fans. The suspension is sporty / road oriented, you'll need to adjust your expectations when riding on anything other than pristine pavement. Finally, while I never hesitated to take the GSA off pavement, the K1600 never felt right, even on nice gravel roads... Never had a GS but have 18,000 miles on a K1600GTL. How much do you value riding with your Harley friends? You might enjoy that a bit more if you're also on a bagger. Heat from the K1600 is non-existent. You may feel a little on your feet if the breeze is just right but otherwise, nada. I ride mine in stop-n-go traffic throughout the Florida summers. I'm 5'10" with 32 inch inseam. Maybe checking your size on the motorcycle ergonomics website would help. I've heard it both ways from tall riders; some can't get comfortable while others make it work. Wind protection is probably better than the GS, but it's far from complete. I mean you won't be in a total coccoon of still air; mostly, but not total. As for maintenance, I don't think it's bad at all. Shaft drive so no chain to fuss over; rear differential fluid every 12,000 miles, simple. Engine oil every 6,000 miles, simple. Brake pads and fluid flush, simple. Tire changes, simple. Engine coolant and clutch fluid are not listed in the schedule, they might be considered lifetime fills but I might call them 100,000 mile intervals. Engine air filter every 12,000 miles is somewhat niggly because so much cladding needs to come off, but turning a bunch of T25 hex screws is not what I consider difficult; it'll take you about 2 hours though:) The real heartburn? Valve checks and spark plugs every 18,000 miles; the radiator needs to be drained and removed and most tupperware is removed... enough work that I decided to let the dealer have it. I'm actually taking mine in in the morning and was quoted $1,100 for the full 18k service. They work piece-meal with you though, if you wanted; meaning you can tell them to only do the valves and spark plugs and save the remaining service items for yourself to do at home. Doing it this way would knock a few hundred dollars off that bill. I'm ok with the cladding because I like being out of the bugs and rain but there's a big personal preference here. Downsides? Front wheel bearings have been known to let go in 40 or 50 kmiles. They're a common size though; cheap, readily available, and easy to replace with only a little bit of mechanical skill but yeah, I wish this wasn't a thing. BMW has been very responsive (very) through the years of the K1600 at fixing problem issues so maybe they'll better the metallurgy or seals or whatever and make this problem go away too. Driveshaft joints have also been known to let go at 60 or 70 kmiles. I can't say everyone experiences these two problems but I've seen enough people that I can't dismiss them as "rare". Extra power? INTOXICATING. I'm ashamed to admit that I'm still immature enough to find joy in clutching 3 foot wheelies from stoplights and seeing astonished faces watching a 700 lb touring bike doing what it's not supposed to :) I want to get into adventuring but don't wanna give this bike up. Never been a two-bike kind of guy but I find myself going down that path. A final note... K1600's don't hold resale value. Pre-owned bargains can be found. ALJR Adventurer Supporter Joined: Sep 2, 2014 Oddometer: 50 I had a 2015 GS and loved it. I sold it to get back on a road glide and that was a Big mistake. Went to check out a new GS and or a GSA about a month ago. Saw the K1600B and thought that it would do the trick. SiriusXM, ride modes, remote locking bags ,floor boards, lots of ponies, etc.,etc. Took it home the following week. It's awesome, but, I'm often wishing I stayed my course and had gotten the GSA. Why I second guess the GSA purchase: Much more cargo capacity. The 1600B bags fill up quickly. The GSA has a roomier seating position. I'm only 5'11 and the seat to peg distance is tight on the Bagger. The GS was an all day seat. The Bagger is not for me. As you stated "all that plastic " The Bagger seems "complicated " to me. The GSA seems more functional. The Bagger is more maintenance intensive. The Bagger has a sweet motor, but, isn't the 1200/1250 enough? I know it is for me. The Bagger seems more delicate to me. It didn't in the showroom, but it does now. In the showroom, the Bagger seemed more refined and I thought maybe with a head of solid grey hair , I no longer needed a tall, high fendered off road bike. (I'm 100% pavement, no off road). But alas, the GS is such a great bike to tour on, comfortable, handles great, rides smoothly, and endless storage. I know if I didn't get the Bagger I would always have feelings of regret of not getting something new, different and exciting. However in hindsight, for me the Gs/GSA is a better "fit" for the riding I do. I'm not sad about owning the Bagger, I light up every time I open the garage and throw a leg over the seat. It is an absolute blast to ride. I guess I'll ride the k1600B for a few years and I'll see where things go. I'll keep my fingers crossed that BMW doesn't discontinue the GSA anytime soon. PS. If I won the lottery tonight, I'd have both in the garage tomorrow. Thanks guys, you have given me some good insight on this decision. I really appreciate it. Just got an email,BMW offering 0 percent financing on the K1600B and a bunch of others,NOT on the 1250GS/GSA JR356 GS = pickup truck K = luxury sedan Pick your poison. I drive a pickup and ride a GS...........:) If you're riding an older GS model, it may as well be "pick-up" truck... LC GS is anything but pick-me-up-truck - I'd like to think of mine as "hawt hatchback" as I happen to drive hawt hatch too... Ymmv... I have a 2016 GTLE and a 2018 R12GS and I like both bikes but if I had to chose one to keep it would be my K16GTLE. The GTLE handles incredibly well for a bike weighing close to 800 lbs, the engine is powerful, smooth and hauls butt when you roll on the throttle. I find the panniers and top case provide sufficient space to pack enough stuff to travel for at least a week. I'm totally comfortable riding my GTLE and the fairing provides great wind/rain protection, with the screen raised slightly I can listen to the radio at 80+ miles an hour. The stock seat isn't as comfortable as I'd like but I'm to cheap to buy a custom seat so I make due with a gel pad and air hawk. Maintenance costs aren't to bad, about 250-300 bucks for the 6k and 12k service but you get dinged pretty good on the 18k service which isn't a big deal depending on how many miles you ride per year. In my opinion attempting to compare the K16 with a GS/GSA isn't a fair comparison because the bikes are totally different in every respect other than they are both motorcycles. The GS handles very well even on some of the most challenging roads like the Tail of the Dragon, the GS is nowhere near as fast as the K16 but it has plenty of get up and go for it's intended mission. I do find myself riding my GS more than my GTLE simply because of the weight difference, after a while maneuvering 800 lbs all day gets a bit tiresome especially in tight quarters. The GS fairing or half fairing provides decent wind/rain protection but the the GTLE fairing is far superior. The GTLE provides a significantly quieter ride over the GS, so quiet, I can ride my GTLE without ear plugs which is something I can't do when riding the GS. My biggest complaint with the GS is it's a very noisy bike, lots of road noise from the tires, there's a howling noise as air passes through the fairing and the boxer engines sounds more like a lawn mower engine than a motorcycle engine. The GS is a great all around bike that does a lot of stuff well while the K16 is a excellent long distance touring bike that can handle long miles of highway riding or more challenging roads like the Cherahola Parkway or Tail of the Dragon. If you're riding with a bunch of guys on Harleys you might be better off with the bagger but if you plan to ride solo and any off road riding the GS/GSA is the way to go. At the end of the day both are great bikes it just depends on which bike suits you best But the OP is talking about the K1600B, cruiser. The K1200GT and GTL share the engine and drivetrain, but that is where it ends. lewisjr1 and Fosters like this. 2015 R1200gsa Source: https://advrider.com/f/threads/r1200gsa-vs-k1600b.1399828/ Komentar :
So, I am kinda at a point in life where I am not sure what I want to ride. The majority of the people I ride with are bagger guys (yea, mostly Harley). I have had them but really gave up on Harley some time ago. I have been looking at the K1600B and really think I would like the additional horsepower and general ride of the bike. My last cruiser was a Triumph Rocket III Roadster which I absolutely loved. But it did not love the dead Texas summers. The heat off that big motor is brutal. Anyhow, I am seriously considering going to the K1600B but I have some reservations that I thought I would bounce off of you guys who might know. First, I am 6'6" with a 38 inch inseam. My '09 GSA fits me perfectly with Rock Risers and I still can stand flat footed on it. In general the only thing I do not care for is the wind noise on my helmet, but I wear plugs 100% of the time. I am also concerned about maintenance on the K1600B. I am so used to the ease of maintenance on the GS that my thoughts are that the new bike would be much more expensive to maintain. But with no history on the K bikes I really do not know. Could use some direction here. My other fear around the K1600B is all that cladding. Having rode mostly naked bikes I have a fear of plastic and it seems to have A LOT! Lastly, the beauty of my '09 GSA is it is fully sorted. I have had no issues with it what so ever. I like the mechanical gauges and limited tech. I am only looking at the K bike for a bit more comfort (maybe?), a little better ride and definitely the extra power. Thoughts & opinions here guys.
Apples to oranges. These bikes are so incredibly different that they may as well be made by different manufacturers. Ride them both and decide for yourself.
I wonder how those boats hold resale value? Seriously. My bet is that they're surprisingly cheap to buy at 1-2 years out of the showroom. That's not nec. a bad thing. Your GSA is obviously a decade old. That age difference alone is something that you'd feel with every ride.
I went from a 2012 k1600 GTL to a 2015 1200GSA LC. The GSA rides hands down better than my k1600 which was a road bike. I keep it on the soft setting on the road. The seat is more comfortable than the 1600. I put 59,000 miles on the 1600 and I wouldn't go back. The only thing I liked better about the 1600 was the sound of the engine. I did put a much bigger windsreeen than the stock GSA on the bike. Another condsideration is the valve checks. The GSA is $250-$300. The 1600 is $1200 on up. The GSA is the best bike I have owned period. Just got back from a 3000 mile trip to glacier national park and back. I am 5'9" 160 # 30 inch inseam for what its worth. I bought the GSA with 7000 miles two years ago June. Currently at 35,000 miles. Never a problem. Replaced 3 coils on the 1600 at about $250 a pop out of warranty. The K1600 engine also seeped a small amount of oil. The GSA never uses or leaks a drop.
Are you limited financially or otherwise to one bike ? If not,keep the GSA and try/buy the bagger.Keep and eye out for good deal on a used one(locally,regionally),as others have said. If you are limited to one bike,keep the GSA as it is a lot more versatile and as you say,well sorted for you. The Givi Airflow was the best screen for me on hexhead GS,but I am 6 plus in shorter than you so YMMV. JR356
I've had both also. Started out with a 2014 GTL. Ended up buying a 2015 GSA because I wanted to get into the adventure riding. For me anyway, the GSA was/is hands down such a better ride. So much so that I ended up selling the 1600 about a month after I bought the GSA.
Yea, Jim, I know they are. I think that is why I am struggling so much with the decision. I have had the GS' for a long time. Made by different manufacturers? I heard somewhere that the K1600B has a Triumph engine? I put that off to hearsay. Was I wrong to do so?
Yea, I either keep what I have or go to something new. Every time I start to think I am, I pull back because my '09 has been such a good bike. A little underpowered, that is what I miss in the other bikes I have owned.
I went from an 09 GSA to a 2012 K1600GTL. I'm 6'4" w/33" inseam. You'll be a lot more cramped on the 1600. I had a custom seat made that added about 4" and still it was never as comfortable as the GSA was. I had an aeroflow fairing on the GSA, which was excellent. For me, the K1600 was almost as good, but my wife as pillion was disappointed in the buffeting from the K1600GTL. We tried several windshields and it never worked out. The K1600 is uber smooth, fantastic lights, wonderful engine. My transmission was, well, a BMW transmission, not as smooth as I would have expected. I put 20k on the K1600 and sold it when they were still pretty new and resale was reasonable. I don't think that's the case any longer, they get hit pretty hard depreciation wise. Check out k1600forum.com, you'll find a lot of folks there that have made the transition, and they bike definitely has a set of fans. The suspension is sporty / road oriented, you'll need to adjust your expectations when riding on anything other than pristine pavement. Finally, while I never hesitated to take the GSA off pavement, the K1600 never felt right, even on nice gravel roads...
Never had a GS but have 18,000 miles on a K1600GTL. How much do you value riding with your Harley friends? You might enjoy that a bit more if you're also on a bagger. Heat from the K1600 is non-existent. You may feel a little on your feet if the breeze is just right but otherwise, nada. I ride mine in stop-n-go traffic throughout the Florida summers. I'm 5'10" with 32 inch inseam. Maybe checking your size on the motorcycle ergonomics website would help. I've heard it both ways from tall riders; some can't get comfortable while others make it work. Wind protection is probably better than the GS, but it's far from complete. I mean you won't be in a total coccoon of still air; mostly, but not total. As for maintenance, I don't think it's bad at all. Shaft drive so no chain to fuss over; rear differential fluid every 12,000 miles, simple. Engine oil every 6,000 miles, simple. Brake pads and fluid flush, simple. Tire changes, simple. Engine coolant and clutch fluid are not listed in the schedule, they might be considered lifetime fills but I might call them 100,000 mile intervals. Engine air filter every 12,000 miles is somewhat niggly because so much cladding needs to come off, but turning a bunch of T25 hex screws is not what I consider difficult; it'll take you about 2 hours though:) The real heartburn? Valve checks and spark plugs every 18,000 miles; the radiator needs to be drained and removed and most tupperware is removed... enough work that I decided to let the dealer have it. I'm actually taking mine in in the morning and was quoted $1,100 for the full 18k service. They work piece-meal with you though, if you wanted; meaning you can tell them to only do the valves and spark plugs and save the remaining service items for yourself to do at home. Doing it this way would knock a few hundred dollars off that bill. I'm ok with the cladding because I like being out of the bugs and rain but there's a big personal preference here. Downsides? Front wheel bearings have been known to let go in 40 or 50 kmiles. They're a common size though; cheap, readily available, and easy to replace with only a little bit of mechanical skill but yeah, I wish this wasn't a thing. BMW has been very responsive (very) through the years of the K1600 at fixing problem issues so maybe they'll better the metallurgy or seals or whatever and make this problem go away too. Driveshaft joints have also been known to let go at 60 or 70 kmiles. I can't say everyone experiences these two problems but I've seen enough people that I can't dismiss them as "rare". Extra power? INTOXICATING. I'm ashamed to admit that I'm still immature enough to find joy in clutching 3 foot wheelies from stoplights and seeing astonished faces watching a 700 lb touring bike doing what it's not supposed to :) I want to get into adventuring but don't wanna give this bike up. Never been a two-bike kind of guy but I find myself going down that path. A final note... K1600's don't hold resale value. Pre-owned bargains can be found.
I had a 2015 GS and loved it. I sold it to get back on a road glide and that was a Big mistake. Went to check out a new GS and or a GSA about a month ago. Saw the K1600B and thought that it would do the trick. SiriusXM, ride modes, remote locking bags ,floor boards, lots of ponies, etc.,etc. Took it home the following week. It's awesome, but, I'm often wishing I stayed my course and had gotten the GSA. Why I second guess the GSA purchase: Much more cargo capacity. The 1600B bags fill up quickly. The GSA has a roomier seating position. I'm only 5'11 and the seat to peg distance is tight on the Bagger. The GS was an all day seat. The Bagger is not for me. As you stated "all that plastic " The Bagger seems "complicated " to me. The GSA seems more functional. The Bagger is more maintenance intensive. The Bagger has a sweet motor, but, isn't the 1200/1250 enough? I know it is for me. The Bagger seems more delicate to me. It didn't in the showroom, but it does now. In the showroom, the Bagger seemed more refined and I thought maybe with a head of solid grey hair , I no longer needed a tall, high fendered off road bike. (I'm 100% pavement, no off road). But alas, the GS is such a great bike to tour on, comfortable, handles great, rides smoothly, and endless storage. I know if I didn't get the Bagger I would always have feelings of regret of not getting something new, different and exciting. However in hindsight, for me the Gs/GSA is a better "fit" for the riding I do. I'm not sad about owning the Bagger, I light up every time I open the garage and throw a leg over the seat. It is an absolute blast to ride. I guess I'll ride the k1600B for a few years and I'll see where things go. I'll keep my fingers crossed that BMW doesn't discontinue the GSA anytime soon. PS. If I won the lottery tonight, I'd have both in the garage tomorrow.
Just got an email,BMW offering 0 percent financing on the K1600B and a bunch of others,NOT on the 1250GS/GSA JR356
If you're riding an older GS model, it may as well be "pick-up" truck... LC GS is anything but pick-me-up-truck - I'd like to think of mine as "hawt hatchback" as I happen to drive hawt hatch too... Ymmv...
I have a 2016 GTLE and a 2018 R12GS and I like both bikes but if I had to chose one to keep it would be my K16GTLE. The GTLE handles incredibly well for a bike weighing close to 800 lbs, the engine is powerful, smooth and hauls butt when you roll on the throttle. I find the panniers and top case provide sufficient space to pack enough stuff to travel for at least a week. I'm totally comfortable riding my GTLE and the fairing provides great wind/rain protection, with the screen raised slightly I can listen to the radio at 80+ miles an hour. The stock seat isn't as comfortable as I'd like but I'm to cheap to buy a custom seat so I make due with a gel pad and air hawk. Maintenance costs aren't to bad, about 250-300 bucks for the 6k and 12k service but you get dinged pretty good on the 18k service which isn't a big deal depending on how many miles you ride per year. In my opinion attempting to compare the K16 with a GS/GSA isn't a fair comparison because the bikes are totally different in every respect other than they are both motorcycles. The GS handles very well even on some of the most challenging roads like the Tail of the Dragon, the GS is nowhere near as fast as the K16 but it has plenty of get up and go for it's intended mission. I do find myself riding my GS more than my GTLE simply because of the weight difference, after a while maneuvering 800 lbs all day gets a bit tiresome especially in tight quarters. The GS fairing or half fairing provides decent wind/rain protection but the the GTLE fairing is far superior. The GTLE provides a significantly quieter ride over the GS, so quiet, I can ride my GTLE without ear plugs which is something I can't do when riding the GS. My biggest complaint with the GS is it's a very noisy bike, lots of road noise from the tires, there's a howling noise as air passes through the fairing and the boxer engines sounds more like a lawn mower engine than a motorcycle engine. The GS is a great all around bike that does a lot of stuff well while the K16 is a excellent long distance touring bike that can handle long miles of highway riding or more challenging roads like the Cherahola Parkway or Tail of the Dragon. If you're riding with a bunch of guys on Harleys you might be better off with the bagger but if you plan to ride solo and any off road riding the GS/GSA is the way to go. At the end of the day both are great bikes it just depends on which bike suits you best
But the OP is talking about the K1600B, cruiser. The K1200GT and GTL share the engine and drivetrain, but that is where it ends.
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